Should Trump be denied access to GOP presidential debates?

Many Americans were enthusiastic about real estate magnate and television talk show host Donald Trump's recent blunt talk regarding the United States being on the short end of the stick in relationships with other nations such as China; about Barack Obama's dismal energy policy; about Trump's conversion to the pro-life position, his support for traditional marriage between one man and one woman, and other strong stands.

Trump continues a meteoric rise in the polls because of his blunt talk, most especially about the circumstances of Barack Obama's birth.  The latest CNN polls puts Trump even higher than he was polling last week and he is now tied for first place in the Republican primary battle with former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee.  In addition, Trump is far ahead of the former governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney, in the polls.

Now it appears that Donald Trump is just using the Republican Party to further his megalomaniacal ambitions, and he will pull a Lisa Murkowski  --  the infamous "Republican" Senator from Alaska who ran as an Independent when the Republican primary voters denied her the right to run as the Republican nominee last year  --  and run as an Independent if the Republican primary voters deny him the Republican nomination for president, which always was highly probable.

"The Wall Street Journal" reported today that:  "Mr. Trump told our colleague Kelly Evans in a WSJ online interview that he is considering running as an independent if he falls short in the GOP nomination fight—a move, with his money and name recognition—that would scramble the 2012 race and very likely doom the Republican nominee."

Of course, all Republicans remember what happened when the last billionaire businessman with a similar ego, H. Ross Perot, ran for president in 1992.  Perot ran against President George H.W. Bush and Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton taking 19% of the vote, giving the presidency to Clinton.  There is little doubt, that Donald Trump will take enough Tea Party voters and many naive voters away from the Republican nominee thus ensuring another four years for the extreme left-wing Obama administration and all the utter disasters which will follow.  Like Perot, Trump will ensure the Democrat wins the election.

The question some Republicans are asking, based on what Trump told "The Wall Street Journal," is whether or not the Republican Party should deny Donald Trump the right to compete in the Republican primaries unless he gives a public iron-clad promise that he will not run against the Republican nominee in next year's general election as an Independent.

If Trump's intention is to run in next year's general election regardless of whether he wins the Republican nomination, why should he be allowed to enter the Republican primary debates, gain the prestige that such debates bestow upon presidential candidates, and bloody up the eventual Republican primary winner is another question some Republicans are asking.

If the Republicans want to take out the the extreme left-winger now occupying the White House, they are going to have to ponder what they will do regarding Donald Trump's probable intention to enter the Republican primaries (and debates) which are about to begin in a little over a half year.  The Republican Party needs to take control of the primary debate process to prevent this diaster from occurring.

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A noble endeavor, indeed!

The nationwide movement is already well underway. It's called the Tea Party, and you can hook up at:

http://www.patriotactionnetwork.com.

Your platform is their platform, and there is solid, substantive work being done. The House of Representatives has changed, with more changes to come. The Senate is next, and hopefully, please God, the White House.  Not everybody there thinks exactly alike,  but then again, that's one of the things that makes our country great!

Easter Blessings--

Fr. Jim +

Fr. Jim Rosselli+      "Aslan is not a tame lion" --C.S Lewis

"Who then can be saved?"

The Lord's response was, "with men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." (cf. Mt 19:23-26).

Pointing out that we are all imperfect is not an "excuse" for anything, findrichard. It is simply a statement of the human condition. As for "striving for perfection," there is no perfection outside of God. Therefore, the only way to perfection for us is to have it imputed to us by God, by His Grace, and the way to do that is to undergo transformation in Christ. Even then we will not be perfect (although we will be in the process of being perfected): we will, by His Grace, partake of the perfection of Christ, as members of His Body the Church. There is no earthly striving whereby we can possibly perfect ourselves, and that is not what the Scripture is saying.

Rather than standing alone, isolated as an imperative statement, "Be ye perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect" is what is called a "pericope" (pair-ICK-oh-pea), or a principle which is further informed by the rest of what the Scripture has to say on the subject. The greater pericope, of course, is the matter of salvation and of how we can get out of this life alive.

The statement is not illustrative of what can be achieved in the earthly part of our life, but rather illustrates what cannot be. It refers back to the Law, and makes it clear by stating God's absolute standard that God's Grace is our only hope.

This is (of course) one of my favorite subjects, and if you'd like to change the discussion topic I'd be delighted. But if you wish to apply it to an earthly situation, like Mr. Trump's (or yours or mine, for that matter) its only usefulness would be to express the futility of expecting our earthly accomplishments to save us in terms of Eternity.

For the rest of it, you say this:

 This country needs local, state, and national leaders with demonstrated moral integrity and a sincere desire to build and maintain one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

We are completely agreed. What is there, however, to say that Mr. Trump doesn't have that desire? The best of our leaders have always been flawed men who have striven to uphold a national moral standard superior to their own. Ronald Reagan didn't go to a parish church (he preferred private services held at home). So, he might have presented a "better" public witness in that area. Yet, he protected the Church, and worked for her advancement, with all the resources at his command. JFK was a rakehell and a serial adulterer, who worked very hard to model a solid family life and who promoted healthy, upright living at every opportunity, and whose behavior, discovered only after his death, was a huge surprise. Newt Gingrich, a man whose scholarship on the Christian origins of our nation is second to none, and whose leadership saved our country from a disaster similar to the one we're facing today, had an affair which was made public and for which his wife has since, equally publicly, forgiven him.

These are all great men, all of them trying to be good men as best they could, all of them human.  Their virtue was love of country and the desire to use their talents to pilot the country through muderous waters at a time of incredible national peril. They were determined to do the best they could, and despite their failings, they did.

Mr. Trump has declared himself on the side of righteousness. Does he personally live up to the standard on whose side he has declared himself? Certainly not! But then, neither do I. Do I doubt his word when he so declares himself? Who am I to do that? I lived a pretty outrageous life before I met the Lord. My attitude about absolutely everything was completely different--and even then, while still a worldly man, I experienced improvement and change-of-mind in this and that area. So, I know it's possible.

I know I come off like a cheerleader for The Donald, and maybe I am one, so far. That's because, so far, everything he says makes sense. Such reservations as I have, I hope will be answered by the time he announces at the end of May.

In the meantime, I would really like to shift this particular discussion to more substantive things, to actual policy issues rather than the theoretical stuff.  If you have policy disagreements with Mr. Trump, I would love to hear them. Perhaps I'm missing something, and if I am, it's in substantive discussion that I'll discover what that is.

Easter Blessings--

Fr. Jim +

 Fr. Jim Rosselli+    "Aslan is not a tame lion" --C.S Lewis

United in Christ.   Jim, God bless you brother, You are 100% right in everything you say in your comments titled "who then can be saved". If you know for a fact that Mr. Trump is a professing Christian then I am happy to learn that.  I did not intend to judge Donald Trump's abilities or motives in anything I wrote. I just wanted to point out that the skill-sets and methodology made known me at this point about Mr. Trump do not reflect, in my opinion, the skill-sets and methodologies required to lead this nation. In my first comment on this subject I made it known I do not follow Donald Trump's activities. As an added note I will never promote anyone for any office until I am fully convinced I have heard all the relevant issues surrounding the candidate. It is by grace we are saved and it is love for God that we obey his commands.  "In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, 4for everyone born of God overcomes the world." 1 John 5:3-4.

"Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives’ tales; rather, train yourself to be godly. 8 For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come. 9 This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance. 10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe." 1Timothy 4:7-11  

Amen, Richard!

Actually, I don't know if Mr. Trump professes to be a Christian, or not. All I said was that he supports the things we support, in terms of the social morality.

I think his attitudes and skill sets are precisely what we need. That isn't to say that other attitudes and skill sets would not be as effective, but I would have to see.

Like you, I haven't yet made up my mind. That's why I suggested we keep the conversation substantive, because I would like to know if there was anything I was missing.

To tell you the truth, my real first choice is Huckabee--but I would like to see more forcefulness from him. We cannot afford to lose this election, Richard. It would be the end of our country.

Easter Blessings--

Fr. Jim +

Fr. Jim Rosselli+ "Aslan is not a tame lion" --C.S Lewis

 

 

 

 

Another enters the race.  Yes Gov. Huckabee seems, at this point, to be the best qualified candidate based on moral integrity and governmental experience. However, the president alone cannot fix this nation, there needs to be a grass roots movement replacing the members of all three branches of our government with moral, capable, God fearing servants seeking the good of all. We must start holding our officials accountable for their actions, and this country's citizens must start paying attention to what goes on in their state and local governments. Therefore, I am announcing my run for president and here is my list of agenda items that I will give immediate attention:

1.  Constitutional amendment requiring balanced budgets yearly

2.  Constitutional amendment defining the separation of church and state

3. Prayer and Bible teaching back into the public schools starting day 1 (teach subjects: morality, creation, salvation)

4.  Constitutional amendment defining marriage as one man and one woman

5.  Removing sexual orientation from discrimination protection (priority #1 - get them away from our children)

6.  Reverse Roe vs Wade (priority # 1 - stop using murder as birth control)

7. Constitutional amendment restricting judges from twisting legal verbiage to change the law's original intent

8.  Constitutional amendment establishing English as the country's official language as it already is internationally for business and aviation.

9. TBD - More to follow as I confer with my council and hear from my constitutes.

 

Hi, findrichard,

I think you're demanding perfection where there's none to be had. Perfection is not to be found among humans. The best we can hope for, when we're considering someone for a job, is competence. Anybody can be debunked. It's easy--just measure his reality against my ideal. But, as a taxpayer, I feel my money, as you say, would be safer with Mr. Trump than with a career politician, if only because he would actually think of it as money, and not as a concept or a campaign issue.

As for his character, I would rather rely on the character of someone who has to live with the results of his decisions than someone who is used to being able to defer their consequences until the next election--where he will try to "redefine" the ones that didn't work.

Is he honest? In a world that depoends on being able to keep your commitments, every major financial institution on the planet seems to be quite happy to keep loaning him millions of dollars.

Mr. Trump is, in fact, a proven man.  He has demonstrated the ability to assess a situation and deal with it accordingly. He is a chief executive who runs a huge, complex, world-wide enterprise with skill and quiet competence, who knows how to pick people and who inspires their loiyalty.

Has he ever made a mistake? I'm sure he has made many. He has, however, managed to become and to remain one of the most powerful and respected men in the world, and the other powerful and respected men in the world--whose standards tend to be high--continue to have enough confidence in his probity to do business with him--and, incidentally, to live and work in his buildings.

Mr. Trump's competence is obvious and beyond serious question. And I think it's about time, after four post-American-globalist  wrecking crews in a row, that we had some competence in the White House.

Have a blessed Easter,

Fr. Jim +

Fr. Jim Rosselli+   "Aslan is not a tame Lion." C.S. Lewis

 

Remember Ross Perrot?   I understand you logic, felt the same way about Mr. Perrot when he ran for president. He just made good sound business sense and I was ready to vote for him until he dropped out of the race. The fact that he could not make up his mind to run or not made up my mind not to vote for him. I welcome Donald Trump into the race for president. When all his plans and skeletons come out of the closet (along with everyone else’s) I will then make up my mind who is capable and trustworthy. I place more confidence in a man's moral compass than in how much money he has accumulated. I place in higher esteem the quality of service one has given to this country than the size of the personal empire he has built. This country needs local, state, and national leaders with demonstrated moral integrity and a sincere desire to build and maintain one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all.  The fact that no one is perfect is no excuse for not desiring and striving for perfection under the grace of God, for he commands it.

 

Worse than a slow learner.   I was giving Mr Trump the benefit of the doubt. But if you insist he knew what he was doing, then he is too cavalier with other people's money to manage national finances. He signed a promisary note to pay borrowed money back and when it did not seem profitable to him, he made a conscious decision (through the protection of bankruptcy courts) to stiff the institutions that entrusted him. Although legal, this is not reflective of the kind of character we need in the white house. However, it is a free country and he is welcome to run for president if he likes. 

Better than you think. Receivership is not a way of "stiffing" the institution, but a way of structuring repayment.

Real estate development is heavily credit-dependent. If Mr. Trump were in the habit of using bankruptcy in order to cheat his creditors, he wouldn't be the success he is, because no one would loan him any more money and he would be out of business. There's nothing unusual about that, it happens all the time.

Debt-sructuring (and safeguard from default) are the ordinary warp and woof of business life.  The fact that Mr. Trump's lenders continue to (enthusiastically!) lend to him pretty much settles the matter.

Fr. Jim Rosselli+      "Aslan is not a tame lion" --C.S Lewis

 

 

 

Better is not good.  Restructured debt is a kind way of saying the lender is getting back less than agreed upon. I would be surprised if the same lender has been through more than bankruptcy with Mr. Trump and is continuing to lend him money.  There is no doubt he has made people a lot of money but some have lost a lot of money with Mr. Trump as well. I understand that is all in a day's life of an entrepreneur, but that skill set has no business managing this country's tax dollars.

He is a slow  learner.   

 

I don't follow Donald Trump's exploits, but I do know that he has gone through bankruptcy more than once. This tells me that he is a slow learner from his own mistakes and does not heed the wisdom of others. Yes he has amassed a financial empire, but that is due to his sheer determination and refusal to accept failure. But the fact that he had to go through bankruptcy at least a couple times shows he is a bit of a bull in a china shop. This is not what we need in the white house. We already have a president that has been learning the job by OJT (on the job training) and it has cost us a ton of money to pay for his education. Please, let’s not make that mistake again.

 

Hi, findrichard--

Real estate developers separately incorporate their projects, so that if anything happens they can put the project into receivership instead of talking a personal bath. Projects collapse all the time. They involve lots of up-front expense which may not be recovered for decades. Far from indicating that Mr. Trump is a "slow learner," this simply demonstrates he is prudent enough to use the normal financial protections people in his field use.

Blessings--

Fr. Jim +

Fr. Jim Rosselli+       "Aslan is not a tame lion" --C.S Lewis

Mr. Trump is a winner. He knows how to win, and is used to winning. His policies are in the right place, except for a couple, and those (like gun control) are easily restrainable by Congress. He is a man who lives in the real world, knows how it works and what will get it back on its feet. Also, he couild run a sufficiently-financed campaign even if he didn't receive any contributions at all.

We should be courting Mr. Trump as a candidate, not trying to figure out ways to discourage him. 

Fr. Jim Rosselli+                                                                                                                                                                      "Aslan is not a tame lion" --C.S Lewis

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