Judge rules "anti-gay" Christian couple can't be foster parents

A judge in Great Britain has ruled that a Christian couple can no longer serve as foster parents due to their religious views that homosexuality is wrong.

Yes, really.  It's come to this.

The couple, Owen and Eunice Johns have been foster parents to over twenty children, but were banned from the program by social workers in 2007 as a result of interviews associated with the program where they expressed their opposition to homosexuality because of their faith.  Now a British court has upheld that ban.

The Associated Press reported that judges at London’s Royal Courts of Justice determined that laws protecting homosexuals from discrimination take precedence over the couple’s religious beliefs.

Britain, the judges ruled, was a “secular state, not a theocracy.”

Of course they failed to explain just what that has to do with anything.  I don't think it's lost on anyone who knows absolutely anything about history that England is not a theocracy.  But (at least until this point it seems), that hasn't stopped anyone from having their own personal religious beliefs.

“We have been excluded because we have moral opinions based on our faith, and we feel sidelined because we are Christians with normal, mainstream, views on sexual ethics,” Mrs. Johns said.

Then there was this from the gay rights crowd...

“In any fostering case, the interests of the 60,00 children in care should override the bias of any prospective parent,” gay rights activist Ben Summerskill told Pink News, Europe’s largest gay news service. “Thankfully, Mr. and Mrs. Johns’ out-dated views aren’t just out of step with the majority of people in modern Britain, but those of many Christians, too.”

Of course there really wasn't much from the judge or the gay rights folks regarding just what this has to do with being willing to be a foster parent and looking out for the welfare of children who don't have anyone to care for them.

In fact, it would seem that the actions of the judges in this case are much more akin to what one would expect from a theocracy than the couple in question, in that they are deeming certain citizens unfit to participate in a public program solely on the basis of their religious views.

So now they're saying that Christians who oppose homosexuality can't participate.  What's next?  Only "Christians" who embrace it will have rights?  And how long before a court would slide further down this slippery slope and use this logic to step in between parents and their biological children.

It just underlines that, despite how they frame the issue, liberalism and political correctness is the new theocracy.  And disagreeing with their orthodoxy is heresy.  If you "stray from the path" you will be punished.

 

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Brett,

Why are you blogging on a Christian site? We have this site because we don't really care about the distorted views of the world around us. Please find a secular site to express your comments. You, like most in this world are decieved, that is why your ideas seem right to you. As Christians we understand this fact because we are told this in scripture, which we believe. Do you really think you can change Christian views with your ridiculously sounding viewpoint? News flash! Just because it is legal does not make it morally right or even good for you. By the way, if you are remotely interested in the Christian definition of Love you can read it straight from the writings of God’s Apostles and condensed for you at   www.heartofthebible.com    Praise God the Wise Judge.

I am praying for you Brett.    I am also assuming you are truly seeking God’s will for your life and therefore I will take the time and effort to help you discover pure truth, found only in scripture. I have reprinted your blog reply to me and have inserted scripture where approprate in an attempt to understand the truth.

You said:  “I'm blogging on a Christian website because I find it interesting and important to consider the views and experiences of other Christians, as spiritual material…”

Psalm 118:8

It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in human beings.

Psalm 146:3

Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save.

Proverbs 28:26                  

Those who trust in themselves are fools, but those who walk in wisdom are kept safe.

Jeremiah 9:4

“Beware of your friends; do not trust any of your people. For every one of them is a deceiver, and every friend a slanderer.

Jeremiah 12:6

Your relatives, members of your own family— even they have betrayed you; they have raised a loud cry against you. Do not trust them, though they speak well of you.

Jeremiah 17:5

This is what the LORD says: “Cursed are those who trust in mortals, who depend on flesh for their strength and whose hearts turn away from the LORD.

Micah 7:5

Do not trust a neighbor; put no confidence in a friend. Even with the woman who lies in your embrace be careful of your words.

 

You continue: “- after all, the Gospels themself are just  Jesus' life and works through the eyes of his followers, as guided by the spirit.”

I hope you did not intend to trivialize scripture by your word choise in bold above. I will assume that was unintentional.

 You continue: “As for the deceit of the world, you might want to read your bible in context (instead of cherrypicking what you want to hear above what you're supposed to be listening for) and find any passage or parable which distinctly villifies homosexuals”

I am glad you asked:

Leviticus 18:22

22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

Leviticus 20:13

13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Romans 1:26-27

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Footnotes:

  1. 1 Corinthians 6:9 The words men who have sex with men translate two Greek words that refer to the passive and active participants in homosexual acts.

 

 Revelation 21:6-10

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

You continue: “, and then weigh it against the multiple parts of the bible which express a desire to love and accept everyone”

2 Timothy 3:16-17

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

 

You continue: “, whether you accept them or not, so that you can show Christ's love. So no, not necessarily me who is being influenced by the views of society over spirit (Matthew 7:1-5 might be of interest).

Matthew 7 1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.    3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

 

You continue: “And, 'news flash'...? if it a legal principal, then yes, it is the DEFINITION or a moral standard”

Do not be deceived, our moral standards were determined by God, our creator, and given to us through his Word. They are unchangeable truths.

Romans 12:2
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

You continue:  “and one upheld by scripture where we are told to honor the law of the land in which we live. And i challenge you to even try to begin to be so arrogant as to even claim to comprehend two people's love, or to rationalize or box it, and certainly not to judge what we know to be one of the best gifts of life, in the ability to form loving relationships.”

Do not confuse love with attraction, desire, and lust. Please read my web page on love at www.heartofthebible.com. In there I explain: Bible translators have taken the liberty of translating six different Old Testament Hebrew words and ten New Testament Greek words into the one word - love. Many of these words could have been more accurately translated into words like compassion, affection, or attraction. The Scriptures listed here are referring to the word love as defined by God. In the Old Testament Hebrew that word is Ahab and its variation Ahabah. In the New Testament Greek that word is Agape and its variation Agapao. In two cases the Old Testament Hebrew word Chashaq and the New Testament Greek word Phileo (both meaning affection) are used and will be indicated as such. More importantly, the Bible defines love for us as follows:

1 Corinthians 13:4-8

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.8Love never fails.

 

You continue: “Finally, 1 Corinthians 6:11 tells us that we are all one in Christ, so try not to be so militant in your views and to leave the casting vote on the subject to the one who's vote actually matters.”

Lets look at this scripture in context as you suggest:

1 Corinthians 6:9-12

 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

All Glory, Honor, and Praise to "YHWH" our God and Father and to our Lord Jesus Christ! – The wise judge. 

I hope you two are very happy together.  Any Christians here like to chime in?

Psalm 94 God's Word
Psalm 94

1 O Lord, God of vengeance,
O God of vengeance, appear!
2 Arise, O Judge of the earth.
Give arrogant people what they deserve.
3 How long, O Lord, will wicked people triumph?
How long?

4 They ramble.
They speak arrogantly.
All troublemakers brag about themselves.
5 They crush your people, O Lord.
They make those who belong to you suffer.
6 They kill widows and foreigners, and they murder orphans.
7 They say, The Lord doesn't see it.
The God of Jacob doesn't even pay attention to it.

8 Pay attention, you stupid people!
When will you become wise, you fools?
9 God created ears.
Do you think he can't hear?
He formed eyes.
Do you think he can't see?
10 He disciplines nations.
Do you think he can't punish?
He teaches people.
Do you think he doesn't know anything?
11 The Lord knows that people's thoughts are pointless.

12 O Lord, blessed is the person
whom you discipline and instruct from your teachings.
13 You give him peace and quiet from times of trouble
while a pit is dug to trap wicked people.

14 The Lord will never desert his people
or abandon those who belong to him.
15 The decisions of judges will again become fair,
and everyone whose motives are decent will pursue justice.

16 Who will stand up for me against evildoers?
Who will stand by my side against troublemakers?
17 If the Lord had not come to help me,
my soul would have quickly fallen silent in death.

18 When I said, My feet are slipping,
your mercy, O Lord, continued to hold me up.
19 When I worried about many things,
your assuring words soothed my soul.

20 Are wicked rulers who use the law to do unlawful things
able to be your partners?
21 They join forces to take the lives of righteous people.
They condemn innocent people to death.
22 The Lord has become my stronghold.
My God has become my rock of refuge.
23 He has turned their own wickedness against them.
He will destroy them because of their sins.
The Lord our God will destroy them.

 

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